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		<title>Comment on Labour and benefits: a regressive policy by Keith</title>
		<link>http://notesbrokensociety.wordpress.com/2013/06/11/labour-and-benefits-a-regressive-policy/#comment-1337</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not much thinking in Labour. It seems this party is a sort of void. Rehashing tread warn ideas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not much thinking in Labour. It seems this party is a sort of void. Rehashing tread warn ideas.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Labour and benefits: a regressive policy by Clive Lord</title>
		<link>http://notesbrokensociety.wordpress.com/2013/06/11/labour-and-benefits-a-regressive-policy/#comment-1334</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clive Lord]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 12:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A passing favourable reference to the universal principle is better than nothing. But this is the key to the otherwise perplexing paralysis of Labour. The same despicable attitude among the unions is easier to understand - they always were mostly self-centred. Why expect any better when austerity threatens them with insecurity? How soon before somebody wakes up to the central role the Citizens Income principle - the true Universal Credit - should play.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A passing favourable reference to the universal principle is better than nothing. But this is the key to the otherwise perplexing paralysis of Labour. The same despicable attitude among the unions is easier to understand &#8211; they always were mostly self-centred. Why expect any better when austerity threatens them with insecurity? How soon before somebody wakes up to the central role the Citizens Income principle &#8211; the true Universal Credit &#8211; should play.<br />
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		<title>Comment on Brighton&#8217;s Green administration &#8211; lessons from the rise and fall of mango politics? by Valerie Paynter</title>
		<link>http://notesbrokensociety.wordpress.com/2013/05/09/brightons-green-administration-lessons-from-the-rise-and-fall-of-mango-politics/#comment-1307</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valerie Paynter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 07:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Increasingly, the word &#039;Green&#039; looks like an inappropriate label for the Green Party that seeks to occupy the vacated hard left space (SWP, Old Labour et al) whilst still enjoying and bathing in the glow of the universal environmental concensus that got them elected in B&amp;H.  Its a mashup.

And no councillor has the right to abrogate responsibility for understanding their job and remit.  It is simply unacceptable to let any of them off the hook such that they can blame Jason Kitcat or anyone else for not understanding what they were doing in delegating to officers.  Too many beginner councillors chucking it.  

Instead of spending so much time on twitter, blogging, on the party group email forums, etc. and conferring endlessly or going abroad at every school half term and off to France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, etc. so much, Green councillors should just focus down and learn the job - and not on officers terms either.

And hurrah for noticing the frightening sight of elected councillors &#039;going native&#039; and BECOMING officers in all but pay grade.  And I am not talking Jason here either.  It has been chilling to watch it unfold.  One now-removed Committee Chair seemed visibly to become something of an officer&#039;s puppet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Increasingly, the word &#8216;Green&#8217; looks like an inappropriate label for the Green Party that seeks to occupy the vacated hard left space (SWP, Old Labour et al) whilst still enjoying and bathing in the glow of the universal environmental concensus that got them elected in B&amp;H.  Its a mashup.</p>
<p>And no councillor has the right to abrogate responsibility for understanding their job and remit.  It is simply unacceptable to let any of them off the hook such that they can blame Jason Kitcat or anyone else for not understanding what they were doing in delegating to officers.  Too many beginner councillors chucking it.  </p>
<p>Instead of spending so much time on twitter, blogging, on the party group email forums, etc. and conferring endlessly or going abroad at every school half term and off to France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, etc. so much, Green councillors should just focus down and learn the job &#8211; and not on officers terms either.</p>
<p>And hurrah for noticing the frightening sight of elected councillors &#8216;going native&#8217; and BECOMING officers in all but pay grade.  And I am not talking Jason here either.  It has been chilling to watch it unfold.  One now-removed Committee Chair seemed visibly to become something of an officer&#8217;s puppet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Greens and power: the importance of theory by Valerie Paynter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valerie Paynter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 06:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Officers and officials control through length of tenure, constancy and wrought iron links between themselves which mere politicians, flibbertigibets a lot of them, passing through on a vote and a whim, have no chance of standing up to and efficiently interrogating.

Officers and officials deploy feint and obfuscation in highly trained ways and a simple question will be drawn out into a 100 emails if you have the stamina to stay with it to get a straight answer.  And before they are even remotely close to being cornered, the politician is gone - taken out at an election or has quit to get a proper job.

And of course they have a lot of PC weapons they can deploy to fend off a politician (or member of the public) with which they can destroy the irritant at the stroke of a claim against them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Officers and officials control through length of tenure, constancy and wrought iron links between themselves which mere politicians, flibbertigibets a lot of them, passing through on a vote and a whim, have no chance of standing up to and efficiently interrogating.</p>
<p>Officers and officials deploy feint and obfuscation in highly trained ways and a simple question will be drawn out into a 100 emails if you have the stamina to stay with it to get a straight answer.  And before they are even remotely close to being cornered, the politician is gone &#8211; taken out at an election or has quit to get a proper job.</p>
<p>And of course they have a lot of PC weapons they can deploy to fend off a politician (or member of the public) with which they can destroy the irritant at the stroke of a claim against them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Greens and power: the importance of theory by Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 08:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is much here I&#039;d agree with but I wonder whether it makes sense to continue using a label that so obviously fails to express what it actually means. Most people (outside the US!) regard &quot;liberalism&quot; as a &quot;good thing&quot; and essentially concerned with freedom. What you have described clearly is not about that but the  very opposite.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is much here I&#8217;d agree with but I wonder whether it makes sense to continue using a label that so obviously fails to express what it actually means. Most people (outside the US!) regard &#8220;liberalism&#8221; as a &#8220;good thing&#8221; and essentially concerned with freedom. What you have described clearly is not about that but the  very opposite.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Greens and power: the importance of theory by Neil Schofield</title>
		<link>http://notesbrokensociety.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/greens-and-power-the-importance-of-theory/#comment-1301</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Schofield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 12:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it&#039;s true that the term &quot;neoliberalism&quot; can be used as a lazy synonym for &quot;capitalism&quot;. But neoliberalism is something different from market capitalism (I agree it can too easily be used as a synonym) because it has a political as well as an economic agenda - about where power lies and who should wield it; in particular about the role of the state.  The original liberal idea was that free markets would challenge oligarchies and create a more open and freer society; neoliberalism is about using structural change, often driven by crisis, to undermine democracy by placing economic decisions outside democratic control.  So for example the EU-US trade agreement - currently under negotiation - will hugely constrain the ability of national governments in economic policy; the demands of trade will come first. This is a classic piece of neoliberalism. 

David Harvey - whose book on Neoliberalism is a must-read - defines neoliberalism as a system of &quot;accumulation by dispossession&quot; with four principal characteristics: the privatisation and commodification of public goods; financialisation, in which any item can be monetised and turned into an item of exchange and speculation; the management and manipulation of crises; and state redistribution in which the state becomes an agent of distribution from poor to wealthy.  Now these points are all up for debate and Harvey is arguing from an explicitly Marxist point of view, but the point is that these are all political rather than purely economic conditions.  (On the last and most controversial point Harvey argues that this effect has been so pervasive that it seems impossible to argue that it&#039;s a by-product - it&#039;s certainly consistent with the fact that nearly all the benefit of the growth of the boom years was accumulated by capital, not labour, and that real wages remained largely stagnant - before of course falling sharply after the 2008 crisis. I&#039;d perhaps modify Harvey&#039;s formulation to talk about the balance between wages and capital rents, which Harvey does at length in other books).

The coalition is a good example of how neoliberalism is more than an economic doctrine - nobody voted for what it has done, and a crisis has been used to justify an economic policy that has no mandate and has led to a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.  In Spain, Italy and Greece that transfer has been all the greater.  

As far as falling living standards are concerned, I&#039;d say that austerity economics is doing a pretty good job of reducing living standards.  The argument that growth increases wealth is an interesting one because while there are undoubtedly times when that has happened (like the 1950s and 1960s) the longer-term history is much less clear.  (Supermarket development, for example, is often promoted because it &quot;creates&quot; jobs, and quite obviously supermarkets employ a lot of people, but the overall effect of this kind of development - especially in sucking wealth out of local economies - is often detrimental both to employment levels and local diversity; supermarkets have actually led to a long-term decline in the number of people working in retailing, with real pay having fallen drastically too - and are now being effectively subsidised by workfare). It seems to me that austerity capitalism is delivering the worst of both worlds - unsustainability and for many people plummeting living standards too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s true that the term &#8220;neoliberalism&#8221; can be used as a lazy synonym for &#8220;capitalism&#8221;. But neoliberalism is something different from market capitalism (I agree it can too easily be used as a synonym) because it has a political as well as an economic agenda &#8211; about where power lies and who should wield it; in particular about the role of the state.  The original liberal idea was that free markets would challenge oligarchies and create a more open and freer society; neoliberalism is about using structural change, often driven by crisis, to undermine democracy by placing economic decisions outside democratic control.  So for example the EU-US trade agreement &#8211; currently under negotiation &#8211; will hugely constrain the ability of national governments in economic policy; the demands of trade will come first. This is a classic piece of neoliberalism. </p>
<p>David Harvey &#8211; whose book on Neoliberalism is a must-read &#8211; defines neoliberalism as a system of &#8220;accumulation by dispossession&#8221; with four principal characteristics: the privatisation and commodification of public goods; financialisation, in which any item can be monetised and turned into an item of exchange and speculation; the management and manipulation of crises; and state redistribution in which the state becomes an agent of distribution from poor to wealthy.  Now these points are all up for debate and Harvey is arguing from an explicitly Marxist point of view, but the point is that these are all political rather than purely economic conditions.  (On the last and most controversial point Harvey argues that this effect has been so pervasive that it seems impossible to argue that it&#8217;s a by-product &#8211; it&#8217;s certainly consistent with the fact that nearly all the benefit of the growth of the boom years was accumulated by capital, not labour, and that real wages remained largely stagnant &#8211; before of course falling sharply after the 2008 crisis. I&#8217;d perhaps modify Harvey&#8217;s formulation to talk about the balance between wages and capital rents, which Harvey does at length in other books).</p>
<p>The coalition is a good example of how neoliberalism is more than an economic doctrine &#8211; nobody voted for what it has done, and a crisis has been used to justify an economic policy that has no mandate and has led to a huge transfer of wealth from poor to rich.  In Spain, Italy and Greece that transfer has been all the greater.  </p>
<p>As far as falling living standards are concerned, I&#8217;d say that austerity economics is doing a pretty good job of reducing living standards.  The argument that growth increases wealth is an interesting one because while there are undoubtedly times when that has happened (like the 1950s and 1960s) the longer-term history is much less clear.  (Supermarket development, for example, is often promoted because it &#8220;creates&#8221; jobs, and quite obviously supermarkets employ a lot of people, but the overall effect of this kind of development &#8211; especially in sucking wealth out of local economies &#8211; is often detrimental both to employment levels and local diversity; supermarkets have actually led to a long-term decline in the number of people working in retailing, with real pay having fallen drastically too &#8211; and are now being effectively subsidised by workfare). It seems to me that austerity capitalism is delivering the worst of both worlds &#8211; unsustainability and for many people plummeting living standards too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Greens and power: the importance of theory by Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 09:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am beginning to detect what I think is a &quot;cop out&quot; on the left which I find also reflected here whereby people use the term &quot;neoliberalism&quot; (never a particularly enlightening term in my view) to mean little more than market capitalism. When the Greens do it I suspect it also conceals some of the things they believe in that they know will not be popular (i.e. falling or stagnant material living standards for most - in the developed world at least). 

If you believe in challenging market capitalism that is fine - but if one takes cover behind a bogey word like &quot;neoliberalism&quot; when the time comes to tell people of the consequences of for example, a siege economy, you will find it harder to take them with you if they thought all they were facing was a philisophical abstraction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am beginning to detect what I think is a &#8220;cop out&#8221; on the left which I find also reflected here whereby people use the term &#8220;neoliberalism&#8221; (never a particularly enlightening term in my view) to mean little more than market capitalism. When the Greens do it I suspect it also conceals some of the things they believe in that they know will not be popular (i.e. falling or stagnant material living standards for most &#8211; in the developed world at least). </p>
<p>If you believe in challenging market capitalism that is fine &#8211; but if one takes cover behind a bogey word like &#8220;neoliberalism&#8221; when the time comes to tell people of the consequences of for example, a siege economy, you will find it harder to take them with you if they thought all they were facing was a philisophical abstraction.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Greens and power: the importance of theory by oblomovIII</title>
		<link>http://notesbrokensociety.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/greens-and-power-the-importance-of-theory/#comment-1299</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[oblomovIII]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 09:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good insights. There&#039;s a reason politics has drifted into shallow managerialism - reforming institutions and key frameworks in a way that&#039;s challenging to the status quo is very difficult. Which would probably explain whay it took the nightmares of WW2 to give the left the moral strength to achieve what they did, and why no-one has managed to retain it. 

As an aside, re: HR - I do enjoy reading HRmagazine.co.uk, especially the comments, which never ever stray from the accepted theoretical framework, whatever the policy under discussion. It&#039;s a bit frightening really - even accounting websites discuss the theory behind the policy and the likely impacts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good insights. There&#8217;s a reason politics has drifted into shallow managerialism &#8211; reforming institutions and key frameworks in a way that&#8217;s challenging to the status quo is very difficult. Which would probably explain whay it took the nightmares of WW2 to give the left the moral strength to achieve what they did, and why no-one has managed to retain it. </p>
<p>As an aside, re: HR &#8211; I do enjoy reading HRmagazine.co.uk, especially the comments, which never ever stray from the accepted theoretical framework, whatever the policy under discussion. It&#8217;s a bit frightening really &#8211; even accounting websites discuss the theory behind the policy and the likely impacts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on One Nation Labour and the abandonment of politics by Greens and power: the importance of theory &#124; Notes from a Broken Society</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greens and power: the importance of theory &#124; Notes from a Broken Society]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 14:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] of self-abasement in the presence of corporate power and wealth, or One Nation Labour seeking to avoid asking any of the awkward economic questions.  Your whole philosophy of Government will be based on challenge &#8211; which quite obviously is [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] of self-abasement in the presence of corporate power and wealth, or One Nation Labour seeking to avoid asking any of the awkward economic questions.  Your whole philosophy of Government will be based on challenge &#8211; which quite obviously is [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Brighton politics latest: a failed Green coup and a big Labour headache by Uncle Protein</title>
		<link>http://notesbrokensociety.wordpress.com/2013/05/23/brighton-politics-latest-a-failed-green-coup-and-a-big-labour-headache/#comment-1286</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Uncle Protein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 06:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is time that a political coup takes place to remove the &#039;snot&#039; Greens from power.

I am currently negotiating with some very &#039;able&#039; people to do just that...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is time that a political coup takes place to remove the &#8216;snot&#8217; Greens from power.</p>
<p>I am currently negotiating with some very &#8216;able&#8217; people to do just that&#8230;</p>
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